Why Hillary? Because...

I saw a  pro-Edwards diary today of reasonable strength and having looked at the candidates here is what I think a democratic needs to be, have and offer.  

 

WHAT does a candidate need to be/offer/have:

- strong prescence in the make up of democratic big tent;
- strong prescence within key groups within all minorities: (African american, Asian american, Jewish American, Latinos etc)
- strong support by unions and reasonable corporations within a business/economic and social sense  
- Knowledgeable, articulate, smart, tenacious
- willing to defend and take a stand on controversial issues
- work with both houses of the congress
- extremely strong on defense and security issues; smart foreign policy....hint besides iraq/iran we have pakistan, russia, china, etc.
- be a current elected representative before announcing for the presidency
- Your campaign team, advisors and management/operation
- diverse experience; executive experience a great +++++
- of course ability to raise money; it matters!!!!!

I do not expect a perfect candidate with all of the above but when you narrow it down on the above issues, my first pass on the candidate list comes down to

Bill Richardson
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Christopher Dodd

Kucinich/Gravel/Edwards came up short; Edwards mostly due to his being out for 2004; yes he worked on key things like working with the unions and working/learning about poverty but he did little else! His current support in the minority voting group is LACKING and he is lite on defense/security issues.  

So now of the 5 remaining here is what I feel;

- Obama:  I thought  he started of great but has let down in some expectations area

- Dodd : I still do not why he is lagging; CT is a rich state and why his fundraising is poor is beyond me

- Biden:  will be viewed as a strong outsider in iowa and some states..due to his foreign relation experience

- Richardson:  not polished enough and somehwhat unpredictable; I can why he was a great diplomat

- Hillary:  strong and still growing in strength...

Upto now Hillary comes up the top.  Of course I know it is a long way to the primaries and general election and things can change but the past will not change.



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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (2.00 / 2)

I went to a volunteer meeting for HRC a few weeks ago, and one of the things they asked was "why do you support Hillary" and every single person had different reasons etc.

The fact that the party is a big tent party should not be overlooked by the netroots.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:05:48 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (2.00 / 2)

"The fact that the party is a big tent party should not be overlooked by the netroots."

That's the problem. The netroots think they are the Party.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:21:00 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

no, the netroots think we are correct. we actually believe in radical liberalism, or at least i do.  


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:13:57 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

Radical liberalism. Neoconservatives. No love for the middle. :) I'm sorry, but I like to please everyone in the country, not just 20% on either side of the spectrum.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:49:46 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (2.00 / 1)

have you seen the rest of the country?


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:12:43 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

What do you mean? The country is in the middle.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:50:40 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (2.00 / 1)

OK, that was pretty funny. Two points.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 01:57:46 AM EST
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And two points... (none / 0)

... for a Hillary supporter that hasn't lost his humor.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 05:58:52 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

thats cool - but you'll be living a disappointed life if you dont want to accept the rest of your party.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 01:04:53 PM EST
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Dodd is getting stronger, and will do very well (none / 0)

Biden is not going to survive Iowa.

Dodd is going to get stronger and stronger.  He is a leader. He is taking the lead on FISA and on war funding.  

You will see Dodd greatly strengthening over Oct-Nov.  

Obama is being very unfairly tarred, and is being witch-hunted out.  

Edwards is going nowhere.

I see Dodd as coming in 2nd in Iowa, and winning NH.


by dataguy on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:37:02 PM EST

Dodd (none / 0)

What is your rationale behind this? What are you seeing on the ground that I don't?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:39:14 PM EST
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Re: Dodd (none / 0)

its not on the ground, its in his tea leaves


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:03:49 PM EST
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Tea.. (none / 0)

or other...


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:00:04 AM EST
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right now Biden is better positioned (none / 0)

in Iowa than Dodd. At this point I think Biden could overtake Richardson. I would be very surprised if Dodd finishes ahead of him.

But many people are just starting to tune in and could change their minds.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 01:44:18 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (1.66 / 6)

Geez, even bolder than the singing lady from Iowa...


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:36:29 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

I uprated this, it does not deserve a 0.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:00:44 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

Interesting order:

3 white males

woman
AA
Hispanic

LOL.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:37:32 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (2.00 / 3)

she has relationships with our allies in the world that the other top-tier candidates don't have. For instance, she's known Prime Minister Brown of Great Britain for quite some time. She has a good friendship with Queen Noor and other Jordanians. When she comes to office, she won't have to waste time with the getting to know you phrase like other candidates. Bill and she can work together on day one to repair our damaged prestige around the world. The world leaders don't know Obama and Edwards and their diplomats would have to spend time getting to know them and what they're like etc. That's valuable time that could be devoted to other things. Our number one objective on the foreign policy side should be to strengthen our alliances with Western Europe, the Middle East, Japan and India first. After that, we can work on our pressing problems in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Secondly, she understands the mechanics of the White House fairly well. Depending upon which book you read about the Clinton WH, Bill Clinton relied heavily on her counsel when making decisions. For instance, she was a key figure in choosing Albright for Secretary of State. I think that I liked John Harris' description of her role best where he stated that both Gore and Clinton competed over the role of co-vice-presidents. In that same Harris book, Hillary Clinton was described as decisive when making decisions. I actually think that she would make a better executive than her husband based upon reading various books about her. she's a very take charge type of person. Very organized. Very disciplined. The direct opposite of her husband. She has an incredible amount of drive. I'm actually debating with myself whether she would hold active-positive or active-negative presidential character traits under the famous James David Barber's political analysis:

http://academic.regis.edu/jriley/414%20p residential_character.htm

Until reading a few books, I leaned on the side of active negative, but I'm now thinking that she could possibly be an active-positive. Reading accounts about her experiences during the White House, one would have to definitely classify her as an active negative. There was definitely conflict b/w her and Bill's people like Dee Dee Myers and George Steph. But I'm wondering if her difficulties in the White House were b/c she was frustrated that she could not perform executive duties in an official capacity as well as many of Bill's staff were ambivalent about her role in the White House.

Beyond that, I think HRC is a tough lady and will be able to take the incoming fire from the GOP in the general election. I don't feel the other candidates would have the resiliciency to recover from the GOP slime machine.

So, HRC's relationship with our allies, her experience in the White House and toughness are all reasons why I'm supporting Hillary over the other candidates.....


by ademption on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:37:37 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (2.00 / 2)

Good points.

When I read her bio, I got a sense of her frustration.  I mean, she really was a partner and worked hard for Bill's campaign- it has to be difficult for anyone to have to step back and let someone take all the credit and being told "oh, but you're just the 'wife.'"  That's why I think you see her so excited and working so hard for this- she's able to have her voice heard as her own.  Back then, she was a different new kind of "First Lady"- even though Nancy Reagan was a powerhouse herself, Laura Bush went back to the old stereotype.  I like Hillary.  She's going to win.


by reasonwarrior on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:00:37 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

How much did you pay for that John Edwards crytal ball again?

I'm going to save this prediction and come back to it in January when the results come in. If you're wrong...well, we'll get to it when the time comes.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:50:57 PM EST

Seriously... (none / 0)

we should do that.

Looking at one's own logical errors and delusions is certainly the best method to learn for future 'predictions'.

I consider myself to be a fairly analytical, sober guy, but let's face it, I tend to be a bit too enthusiastic about "my candidates'" prospects.

Only after 2004 I realized that a Northeasterner makes all races outside the Northeast (and Oregon, which behaves like a Northeastern state) somewhat tougher for Democrats.

Based on polls and positions, I talked myself into believing Kerry could carry states like Missouri, Iowa, or even Indiana. (I still have a Washington Post map where I wrote down my predictions - a good reminder of how wrong I was)

Kevin Phillips' "The Emerging Republican Majority" opened my eyes.

In 1969, he made a very valid prognosis what would happen in the electoral college in the next 20 years. Among other things, he predicted a shift of power from the Northeastern seaboard to its regional antagonists, the Heartland and the Southwest, from big-city political machines to suburbia, from liberal establishmentarianism to (conservative) blue-collar populism etc.

Every Democrat and/or Progressive populist should read it!
(Next to all other books by this political genius. He brings political history, original settlement patterns, numbers and statistics of voting streams and demographic developments to life like no-one else.)


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:25:11 AM EST
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Re: Seriously... (none / 0)

Fairly analytical?

If you were fairly analytical you would not have convinced yourself Kerry would win Missouri. You look at the internals, see what is happening on the ground, take into account the opposing candidate and the dynamics and come to a relative conclution. That is being analytical.

People keep saying candidate A will come first and candidate B will come dead last with absolutely no commentary or analysis to back it up. It is all empty words.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:09:59 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

The best thing I like about Hillary Clinton is her husband. No, really. I think he will be a great positive for her administration.

I admire Hillary's ability to learn from her past mistakes and to grow as a politician. I like that she is very informed and knowledgeable about both the issues and how those issues will play politically. I also like that she is disciplined and organized, though I fear that she may indeed be too disciplined to the point of undue secrecy and closed-door decision making. Also her intellect, work on children's issues and women's issues, being a good mother, etc. It is a plus for me that she is very popular with democrats, and a negative for me that she is unpopular with republicans and independents.  


by Korha on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 08:48:40 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton is no longer unpopular with Independents.  She has been winning them over in very strong numbers.   That is why she has surged ahead against all GOPers in surveys we have seen.  


by georgep on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:04:32 PM EST
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IOWA (none / 0)

I can't wait.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:26:08 PM EST

Because...Think again! (2.00 / 1)



Your listed criteria has absolutely nothing to do with public policy changes or reforming the corruption of our government.

All it is does is talk about "strong support from" this group or that group.  That amounts to nothing but a Media-exposure driven and/or name-recognition driven popularity contest months away from when most people are even really focusing on the Election.

The only true criteria here is which candidate will best change the Country, specifically:


  • Which candidate will restore all our Civil Liberties back again and renounce the unconstitutional "Patriot Act"?
  • Which candidate will completely end the fraudulent U.S. Occupation of Iraq including shutting down the U.S. Military Bases, getting the bloody U.S. Corporations out, and pulling all the Troops out?
  • Which candidate has the most comprehensive, efficient, and straightforward Health-Care plan?
  • Which candidate is serious about cutting all the Billions of dollars in Military spending that we waste away overseas - while our nation is plunged into bankruptcy?
  • Which candidate is serious about addressing the global climate change problem and making the United States free and independent of Oil and fossile-fuel based Energy?
  • Which candidate is the most honest, the most scandal-free, and the least attached to and corrupted by Corporate conglomerates and Monopolies?

Based on this criteria, which is the only criteria that could result in dramatically improving the conditions in this Country,
Dennis Kucinich scores the best. Mike Gravel scores right along side him.  
John Edwards is not too far off where they are. Barack Obama is close to where Edwards is.
Bill Richardson is also in the mix with this group and has a compelling case regarding getting our of Iraq.

The very worst of the group is Hillary Clinton who continues to blindly follow and endorse Joe Lieberman's Iraq/Iran Foreign Policy initiatives in the U.S. Senate, and is beholden to Walmart, Ruppert Murdoch, Foreign Investors, and the Military-Industrial-Complex. She is also the most scandal-ridden of the candidates and will be easy fodder for the right-wing.

You need to vote for the public interest and stop endorsing what is sought by the U.S. Corporate-driven Media Interest.
Only the people can protect the people - not Corporations nor their lapdogs.
Vote that way.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:48:15 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

Hillary voted for the Iraq War.

Republicans support the Iraq War.

What's the difference between the two parties?


by Will Graham on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:41:09 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)


That Democrats are democrats, and Republicans are not.

Now my question: why is Iraq a religious dogma or totem?


by killjoy on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:52:17 AM EST
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Re: Why is Iraq a religious dogma or totem? (none / 0)

You mean:

Why,

besides the fact that about a million Iraqis are dead as a consequence of this illegal and immoral war,

besides the fact that thousands of American troops have died, tens of thousands have been wounded,

besides the fact that the whole world (except poodlish UK) views the US with disgust and disbelief,

besides the fact that another record deficit has been piled up as a consquence of this war,

besides the fact that the NeoCons used the war to ignore the Constitution, cripple American Democracy and plunder the treasury on behalf of their corporate warmongering buddies,

is the Iraq war a defining yardstick for every politician running for President of the USA?

I don't know.

You'd rather have First Woman/First African American President as a religious dogma or totem, right?


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 06:40:28 AM EST
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Re: Why is Iraq a religious dogma or totem? (none / 0)


In the course of the life and history of a nation of 300+ million people, in context- compared to the Cold War and WW2- the Iraq thing is small.  So is a trillion dollars or two trillion, compared to an economy with GDP of 13+ trillion dollars a year.  

What we in effect are buying for those particular dead soldiers and particular tax money is the end of an old establishment, an end of a colonial order to the society...it may not be a bad bargain in the long run.

In Iraq, most of the killing (80%+) has been of Iraqis by Iraqis for their own internal reasons.

The American Constitution still stands, violated and defiled but still on its feet.  All the hidden abuses of it in the middle past are now manifest, rather than concealed or denied.   We are now all looking at the reality of its role in American life rather than emphasizing the ideal, and that is the route necessary to its restoration.

I have an end to the colonial/neocolonial social and political and economic order of the United States as "my totem".  Its arrival in the Modern World, though painful, and its return to competing for being a truly leading society on Earth.


by killjoy on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 08:21:15 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (2.00 / 1)

Hillary is close to Rupert Murdoch, Matt Drudge, and health insurance lobbyists.  Her pollster Mark Penn's firm is involved with union busting and Blackwater.  She voted for the Iraq War to impress Beltway pundits, and spent her time in the Senate on critical issues like flag burning and video game violence.  She just gave President Bush an excuse to go to war with Iran with her Lieberman-Kyl vote.

Exactly how is she different from Republicans?


by Will Graham on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:49:02 PM EST

Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

By supporting the Democratic agenda 97% of the time.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:01:47 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

Seems I can get that with any of the candidates running for the nomination.  What makes Hillary special?


by Will Graham on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 07:26:04 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary? Because... (none / 0)

You asked the question, buddy, Clinton is no Republican and she has proven it with her Senate record. She is a social liberal, and in the center on defense and foreign policy.

Based on what you have said in the last few comments, Clinton, Edwards, Biden, and Dodd must be Republicans because they all voted for the war. Obama, Richardson and Gravel do not even qualify, they never had a chance to vote yea or nay. So, the only candidate that is a Demoract (based on your implied definition) is none other that Dennis Kucincih.

Is that the candidate you support?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:06:59 AM EST
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Differences from GOP (2.00 / 1)

S-CHIP ... diplomacy first ...  universal health care ... college financial aid for students ... paid family leave ...  green energy/green jobs ... science before ideology ... pro-choice ... supreme court ... just a few, off the top of my head ...


by Coral on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 07:34:23 AM EST
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